Still4Hill

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1. on April 5, 2012 at 11:51 am | Reply Hillary Lover

   The President after next?
   The “meme” is here: http://perezhilton.com/2012-04-05-pelosi-joins-list-of-hillary-clinton-in-2016-backers#.T328MtXvjBI

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   • on April 5, 2012 at 1:08 pm | Reply rachel

     Pelosi is two faced.

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   • on April 5, 2012 at 1:32 pm | Reply still4hill

     Perez Hilton is a HUGE Hillary supporter. I have not yet touched this 2016 meme above the fold. I might have to break down and do it.

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     • on April 5, 2012 at 7:39 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

       Do it! I’ve been waited for Still4Hill to weigh in on it officially.

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       • on April 5, 2012 at 7:51 pm | Reply still4hill

         Hanging loose a little longer.

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   • on April 5, 2012 at 8:34 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

     Now THIS is interesting. I’ve heard about Hillary supporters (Rendell, Koch, Trump, etc…) backing a 2016 run for the current Madame Secretary and of course there’s her husband, former president Bill Clinton, saying he’ll support her in whatever she wants to do with herself post-State Department. Everybody fusses over these things that should be no-brainers. Of course people who supported her in 2008 would want her back in 2016. Of course her husband will say he supports whatever she chooses to do and is so proud of her. He’s been saying it for the last twelve years – nothing is going to change that.
     Nancy Pelosi is very different than these others in that she supported the other candidate in 2008 who went on to win the election and is currently running for a second term. She is also a very tough, strong politician and nowhere near the giddy buffoon she is portrayed as. She simply would never have gotten to where she is if she were dumb fool – end of story. She understands message discipline. I would assume that she also can see the possible distraction that this meme could be in 2012, if Mr. Etch-A-Sketch could figure out how to capitalize on them (yeah, I know, that’s a BIG if). It would have been so easy for her to have dismissed the question by saying something like “Well, Charlie, 2016 is a long way off and right now my focus is on this year’s election, getting President Obama re-elected, and putting the Democrats back in control of the House of Representatives / protecting the country’s social programs from the Republican party’s radical agenda / stopping the Republican’s ‘war on women’ / * insert contentious issue discussed in interview here *. That is message discipline. What Minority Leader Pelosi did was say she supports Hillary for president at the same time that she is, theoretically, helping the person whom she ran against in ’08 get another term. It makes me wonder if the restless fidgeting among Democrats extends beyond just average citizens, ever twitchy and hypothesizing pundits, and diehard fans of a very popular national figure. It also makes me wonder if Minority Leader Pelosi might now, with the benefit of hindsight, feel that she backed the wrong candidate? I find it all very interesting, indeed.

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     • on April 5, 2012 at 8:47 pm | Reply still4hill

       She knew that in 2010.

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       • on April 5, 2012 at 10:41 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

         But why make the comment? Curiouser and curiouser. It all keeps getting curiouser.

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         • on April 5, 2012 at 10:47 pm | Reply still4hill

           I know. Ever since we fell through the rabbit hole in 2008. Up is down and down is up.

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   • on April 6, 2012 at 12:49 am | Reply Bea

     Is this the same Nancy Pelosi who was twisting super delegate arms asking them to switch to Obama?

     Is this the same woman who back in 2008 kept repeating to the media over and over that if Obama chose Hillary as his running mate it would be a terrible mistake?

     Drop dead, Nancy!!!

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     • on April 6, 2012 at 1:09 am | Reply still4hill

       😀 Someone needs to photoshop a “Text from Hillary” based on this. I’m not that good at photoshop.

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       • on April 7, 2012 at 11:54 am | Reply Bea

         Me neither, but I wish they would!!! I can’t stand that hypocritical woman!!!!

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         • on April 7, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Reply still4hill

           I could not find a picture of Pelosi using any technology, I would really have to cut and paste to make that text.

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           • on April 7, 2012 at 12:52 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

             She’s a grandmother in her seventies, technology might be a bit out of her skill set.

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             • on April 7, 2012 at 1:36 pm | Reply still4hill

               WOW! Hit me with an age stereotype!

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               • on April 7, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

                 I said might. It wasn’t a definitive statement.

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                 • on April 7, 2012 at 2:28 pm | Reply still4hill

                   Stereotype nonetheless.

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                   • on April 7, 2012 at 4:59 pm discourseincsharpminor

                     Boehner lifted her ban on techie gizmos on the House floor, so I’m sure you get a photo eventually.

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               • on April 7, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

                 Ha, knew I read about this somewhere. Thank you, Time online! It was written in 2009.

                 The Speaker carries two cell phones but no BlackBerry. There is no computer in her office and no real desk, just a table by the window big enough to fit her telephone, her paperwork and a bowl of peonies. It is there that Pelosi, who will be 70 in March, spends her spare moments working on a steady output of handwritten notes.

                 Source: http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1947866,00.html#ixzz1rOLJHutj

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                 • on April 8, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Reply still4hill

                   How does she survive? 0-0

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                   • on April 9, 2012 at 4:25 pm discourseincsharpminor

                     I have no idea.

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     • on April 6, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

       Yes the very same women who used her influence so effectively for Obama in 2008 is now commenting on a distracting, even potentially damaging meme about 2016 while the man she pushed so hard for is up for re-election right now. Whether you like her or loathe the House Minority Leader, I think we can all agree that it is intriguing at the very least.

       (In fairness, the Minority Leader had said that whoever won in ’08 shouldn’t feel pressured to choose a particular person for their running mate. This much railed against comment never bothered me because I didn’t think an Obama/Clinton ticket would be a particularly good idea in ’08. Too much post-primary baggage, not between the candidates so much as between their staffs – those who had spent so many months battling each other for their chosen candidate. It would’ve been a soap opera.)

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       • on April 6, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Reply still4hill

         She was the prime mover and shaker of the Super-Ds – the main arm-twister. Ask any HRC delegate who was in Denver. We all knew her role.

         I disagree about that ticket in 2008. I was as fierce as any PUMA but would have broken down and voted for that ticket. NOT putting her on was what solidified the split in the party as far as I am concerned – a split that has not healed and has caused many Clinton Dems to leave the party. It would have been an upside-down ticket, but I would probably have voted for it.

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         • on April 6, 2012 at 5:27 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

           I was referring more to those that worked directly with her on the campaign. That brigade she’s brought with her from HillaryLand to the Senate to the campaign and now to the State Dept. In his book Obama’s Wars Bob Woodward notes that, while the Secretary and the President seemed fine with each other, some of their close senior people still hadn’t quite gotten out of campaign mode and were still distrustful of each other. I don’t know how much stock you put in his word. I know some Clinton fans take issue with him over some things he wrote about the current Secretary of State back when she was First Lady. Still, if that is even partially the case, I’m sure those animosities would have been exponentially compounded had the two inner circles had to share the executive branch and all it would’ve done was make lots and lots of unflattering news stories for everyone involved. Biden doesn’t pull as much attention from the president and they seem to work well together. I think he was a pretty good choice, all things considered.

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           • on April 6, 2012 at 6:40 pm | Reply still4hill

             You mean the very ones she brought with her from the Senate to State who ARE working IN the administration? We already saw how those camps settled their animosities right here on these pages and behind the scenes in 2009. It would not have been different had she been on the ticket. I know all the names and I know the names of who WH sent to DOS that they thought were spies etc. etc. They are there. Same people. What’s the difference?

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             • on April 6, 2012 at 7:59 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

               It all boils down to what one person feels comfortable with and that is the candidate for president. Maybe Obama didn’t think the two campaign crews would settle down as quickly as they did. Maybe he thought the Clintons would overshadow him, thus weakening his image. I mean, just look at how much of the spotlight was on them at the convention with each of them getting a big speech and the camera always hunting for whichever one of them wasn’t on stage. Instead he picked a much lower profile, affable east coast senator who could also appear to working class voters without making the vice presidency seem like a co-presidency. It makes sense to me.

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               • on April 6, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Reply still4hill

                 That wasn’t it. I read somewhere that she WAS his first pick for VP, and Michelle asked him if he wanted WJC hanging around the East Wing.

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                 • on April 6, 2012 at 9:45 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

                   As if Bill Clinton would be anywhere near his wife at work.

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                   • on April 6, 2012 at 11:11 pm still4hill

                     Something Michelle might not have been able to predict. Anyway, I think it was less Michelle and more Valerie Jarrett. That’s just MHO.

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       • on April 7, 2012 at 12:04 pm | Reply Bea

         I despise Pelosi for how she behaved in 2008. She was the Speaker of the House, and as such, should have remained neutral in public. In private of course she was entitled to her own opinions. Nancy undermined Hillary at every turn, while ignoring the sexism of the media at large. She only mentioned it after Hillary was safely out of Obama’s way. The DNC’s behavior at the leadership level was disgraceful all around. When Dean was questioned why he hadn’t spoken about the sexism against Hillary, as he had done with the racism against Obama, his response was that he hadn’t been aware of it because he didn’t watch much TV. Bullcrap!!!!!!

         Hillary was treated as an nuisance that needed to be eliminated. I’m done with the Democratic party, as of the summer of 2008 I’m an Independent. The DNC will never get another minute of my time or a dime of my money.

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         • on April 7, 2012 at 12:42 pm | Reply still4hill

           If I had a dollar for every time I have read remarks like this from former Dems who, like you, worked hard for her, I could retire tomorrow. Obama Dems are oblivious to the exodus from the party and have an illusion that the party is unified. It is not. Some of us were treated very badly, roughly as was HRC. Donna Brazile sent rude and nasty emails. Many, like yourself, simply picked up and left.

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         • on April 7, 2012 at 1:18 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

           Doesn’t every senator or Representative endorse someone. Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, and Jim DeMint all made headlines when they endorsed Romney this year. I wouldn’t be surprised or upset if Boehner did eventually. Evan Bayh endorsed and campaigned for now Secretary Clinton. Wasn’t the current DNC chair, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, also a Clinton supporter? They all endorse someone and then they try to raise money for them I don’t have a problem with the practice.

           The ignoring and/or denial of sexism was disconcerting, but, as I’ve mentioned before, I don’t think all of it was just because of Clinton’s gender. Part of it is that this country treats her differently – worse – than it does its other politically active women. Something about her seems to bring out the worst in our political dialogue in a way that even people like Sarah Palin and Nancy Pelosi can’t match. There was definitely sexism out there – definitely – but I’d be willing to say that a healthy percentage – 30%-50% maybe -of it was there more because it was Hillary Rodham Clinton running instead of any other political female. All the rehashed stuff about her martial arrangements, comments about her riding her husband’s coattails, “Likable” – that has all Clinton specific sexism. It should’ve been addressed, but it was tough to do not only because many of the voice that should’ve been talking about it had already thrown in their lot with her opponent, but because our society tends to be more ok with people saying nasty things about Hillary Rodham Clinton than anyone else.

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           • on April 8, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Reply still4hill

             The point Bea was making is that those in high leadership positions within the party should remain neutral. As Speaker, Pelosi should not have endorsed any candidate.

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             • on April 9, 2012 at 4:35 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

               I understand her point, I just don’t agree with it. If the senator or representative who is the most popular within the party – the party’s loudest and most influential voices among voters – can endorse and campaign, the the ranking members should be able to as well. The people in their districts didn’t vote them into positions of leadership, they voted them in as a senator or representative and then their peers made them House or Senate leadership. They were voted in as equals and they should have equal opportunity to endorse and campaign for their chosen candidates.

               Look at the current primary. Whose opinion do you think matters more to the voters Mitch McConnell’s or Marco Rubio’s? And who is in the Senate leadership structure?

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             • on April 17, 2012 at 10:02 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

               http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75240.html

               Boehner and McConnell have now both made their official endorsements.

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               • on April 18, 2012 at 10:46 am | Reply still4hill

                 I never expected either of those two to give Romney a problem. But the Republican Old Guard is under fire. Lugar is in the race of his life against a TPer. They are still on the rise.

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                 • on April 19, 2012 at 12:49 am | Reply discourseincsharpminor

                   It isn’t just tea folk. They’re just the loudest piece of evidence that there has been another seismic shift in what ideological makeup of the Republican party. The Republican party has decided as they did in 1964 (and lost) and in 1980 (and one) to lurch to the right and mainstream what would normally be considered extremely conservative ideas.

                   Democrats don’t do this all that often. I remember people swing that it would after the party nominated Sen Obama and not Sen. Clinton but it never seemed to materialize. There was no mass exodus – either forced or voluntary – of well known Clinton supporters from public service, no massive effort to primary them, and so on.

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                   • on April 19, 2012 at 1:02 am still4hill

                     The Democratic Part registration did take a big hit after that – maybe not all famous names, but many re-registered as Indies and still are. Some even re-registered GOP. Some of them come here and mention that. The Party is smaller and what is left is still fractured. Those who deny it are simply blind to it. We who remained did so because, like HRC, we believe change must happen from within. We will NOT simply buckle down and vote for Obama because he is the Dem name on the ballot – and I am legion.

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               • on April 19, 2012 at 1:37 am | Reply discourseincsharpminor

                 I know. Many will vote for Romney and then complain about him and the Republican-run government for four years and bemoan the appointing of even more conservative judges as if they had nothing to do with it. I know many left, are staying gone, and will vote for Mitt Romney with more glee and enthusiasm than the actual Republican voters. I wasn’t talking about that.

                 I mean that there weren’t massive efforts to to drive officials who had supported Ms. Rodham Clinton but had not felt moved to leave the party after she wasn’t sworn into office in January 2009 out of public office and I haven’t seen any large-scale PUMA-driven crusades to force people out of office who support the president or to remake the DNC into HillaryLand 2.0. The Republican party has pushed out their more moderate representatives and senators so it looks like there are no moderate Republicans in existence. The have put the RNC in the hands of the hard right and the result is the “War on Caterpillars” among other gems. The extreme positions these people take up are built up to sound far more popular than they are because they have removed internal dissent from the dialogue. It’s creepy when you stop to think about it.

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                 • on April 19, 2012 at 12:01 pm | Reply still4hill

                   The extreme positions these people take up are built up to sound far more popular than they are because they have removed internal dissent from the dialogue. It’s creepy when you stop to think about it.

                   Hmmmm…. reminds me of certain emails I have received from Donna Brazile informing me of how little my party cares about what I think or needs my vote.

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                   • on April 19, 2012 at 11:21 pm discourseincsharpminor

                     It doesn’t work with the population at large, they just get angry. Democrats forget that. Republicans know that too force the country further and further to the right you don’t pressure the people voting, you pressure who they’re voting for to tow particular line or face political exile.

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                   • on April 20, 2012 at 9:45 am still4hill

                     Pelosi and Reid did NOT forget that in summer 2008 when a great deal of pressure was put on Sen. Clinton NOT to carry her campaign to Denver. Both the Senator and her supporters in Congress we threatened with being stripped of their committees. ONE reason why I will never trust Pelosi.

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                   • on April 21, 2012 at 1:06 am discourseincsharpminor

                     The same group that failed to strip Joe Lieberman of anything for campaigning for McCain even though he’s the most reliable Republican from CT. Proof that the treat of pulling committee assignment and actually pulling committee assignments are two very different things.

                     I’m not sure how much I “trust” any of them. I think I understand some of their political styles – I think I understand Pelosi’s style (While she is in an incredibly safe district that offers no real challenger, that is. The guy running against her this time ran against her in 2010 and she won with over 70% of the vote.) but trust is a much harder thing for me to dole out when it comes to politicos.

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                   • on April 21, 2012 at 10:03 am still4hill

                     But wait … CAN they do anything to him? If he isn’t a Dem can they actually do anything to him?

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                   • on April 21, 2012 at 3:39 pm discourseincsharpminor

                     Absolutely. As an Independent he’s not automatically a member of the Democratic caucus. They could have not let him in at all and let him fend for himself. Then he not only would be politically isolated in just about every sense, but also broke, and vulnerable to a primary challenge in which the full strength of the party would be against him.

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2. on April 5, 2012 at 5:03 pm | Reply PYW

   trump has also been a longtime hillary supporter, which is interesting considering he’s a repub (though not a wingnut version). of course, he’s from new york and knows firsthand how amazing she is. 🙂

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   • on April 5, 2012 at 5:33 pm | Reply vcal

     I love Trump and all the authentic Hillary supporters not the phoney Pellossi and others!

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   • on April 5, 2012 at 8:50 pm | Reply still4hill

     But, at this point, his endorsement is the kiss of death.

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3. on April 5, 2012 at 7:15 pm | Reply chailife77

   Uhhh… Trump isn’t a wingnut? Did you all see what he did when he was running for president as a Republican? Every wingnut issue, including the birther issue, he adopted to try to win over the Conservative wing of the Party. Not like I want to make a big fuss out of this, but I now put Trump in wingnut territory. Plus, he knows enough gay people to be beyond offensive to me about switching he beliefs on gay rights. I have nothing but distaste for him.

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   • on April 5, 2012 at 9:49 pm | Reply PYW

     good point. his behavior in the birther nonsense was silly.

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4. on April 5, 2012 at 7:42 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

   OK, I’m not sure how related to the whole ‘Hillary in 2016’ meme this is, but someone set up a Tumblr called Texts From Hillary and it is absolutely hilarious. This one is my favorite.

   http://textsfromhillaryclinton.tumblr.com/post/20542644038

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   • on April 5, 2012 at 8:27 pm | Reply still4hill

     Yes, I saw that. Funny they just found that pic. That was way back when she was departing Libya. Can’t remember the month. The dark glasses struck me funny too, until I realized they are probably prescription and she needed them to read the screen.

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     • on April 5, 2012 at 8:35 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

       Or she just felt like looking cool. 😉

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       • on April 7, 2012 at 5:34 pm | Reply still4hill

         She would never have believed what would happen with these pics. Somebody please explain that last one to me. I don’t get it. Some kind of word game?

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         • on April 7, 2012 at 6:12 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

           Head B***h In Charge. I didn’t invent it, I just report it.

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           • on April 7, 2012 at 7:23 pm | Reply still4hill

             Thank you.

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         • on April 7, 2012 at 7:38 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

           I hope it makes her laugh if she knows about the site.

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           • on April 7, 2012 at 8:12 pm | Reply still4hill

             I’m sure she knows by now, and I’m sure she’s laughing. I can almost hear her.

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     • on April 8, 2012 at 1:03 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

       

       If Bill found Texts From Hillary Clinton.

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   • on April 6, 2012 at 12:53 am | Reply Bea

     I was about to post the link. I found it by chance and I’m still laughing.

     This one is my favorite.

     http://textsfromhillaryclinton.tumblr.com/post/20501704983

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     • on April 6, 2012 at 1:22 am | Reply still4hill

       They keep getting funnier! I love the one with Condi and the glasses.

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5. on April 5, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Reply chailife77

   Uhhh…. Trump isn’t a wingnut? He was totally into the birther issue of where Obama was born during the Republican Primary when he was running, and he totally switched his position in gay marriage and gay rights even though he’s in NY and knows a ton of gay people. I believe those things qualify for wingnutdom. I have nothing but distate for him. I think his days of really supporting Hillary are behind him. If they’re not, he’s got something to prove.

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6. on April 5, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Reply chailife77

   It posted twice! Sorry for that. Now that I have an avatar, life is more complicated. Haha. ;D Texts From Hillary is funny.

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   • on April 5, 2012 at 10:44 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

     I love it. This one is another favorite.

     http://textsfromhillaryclinton.tumblr.com/post/20525893974

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   • on April 6, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Reply discourseincsharpminor

     Today’s favorite.

     http://textsfromhillaryclinton.tumblr.com/post/20606518140/source-chase-whiteside

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7. on April 6, 2012 at 12:55 am | Reply Bea

   Nothing in the schedule. Great, that means that she went home to Bill and Tally for the Easter holiday.

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   • on April 6, 2012 at 11:08 pm | Reply still4hill

     Poor Tally. Four days with mommy – she’s going to get used to it.

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8. on April 6, 2012 at 4:10 am | Reply Hillary Lover

   http://newsone.com/2000929/hillary-clinton-2016/
   http://www.ladepechediplomatique.com/Hillary-Clinton-a-la-Maison-Blanche-en-2016-info-ou-intox_a2199.html

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