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The brilliant Karen Finney is now blogging at Media Matters.  Her latest is a must-read on the topic of Hillary Clinton’s paid speeches in comparison with private funds accumulated by men, including past and current presidential hopefuls, on the Republican side of the aisle.  Hillary continually reminds us of the importance of data and evidence.  This article is a keeper.  File it away for future reference.

Rock on, Karen!  Thank you for proving that the best defense is careful analysis.

 

The Right’s Jeb Bush-Hillary Clinton Double Standard

Conservative Attacks On Clinton’s Wealth Follows Their Defense Of Romney

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Two years after the fact, right-wing media are trying to flip the narrative that sunk their presidential aspirations in 2012 by charging that current personal wealth and the fees for paid speeches since leaving the State Department make former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton “out of touch.” Often aided by Beltway reporters who are fixated on Clinton’s so-called “money problem,” conservative pundits are trying to dispel any narrative that supports the majority of Americans’s belief that the potential Democratic nominee for president can relate to and understands average citizens.

The facts show that Clinton’s earnings on the speaking circuit are consistent with a number of men of similar prominence. According to one estimate, over 15 months from the end of her term as Secretary through May 2014, Clinton made $5 million dollars. In the 13 months before former Mayor Rudy Giuliani ran for president in 2007, he earned more than $11 million dollars, charging anywhere from $100,000 to $300,000. According to a number of reports former Secretary of State Colin Powell has received between $100,000 and $200,000 per speech, earning an estimated $6.7 million in speaking fees in 2000 alone.

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Hillary’s day spanned education from Pre-K – 16+ today.  In Tulsa, she joined George Kaiser  to kick off the “Talking is Teaching” Campaign  – a joint effort of her Too Small to Fail Initiative with the Kaiser Family Foundation,  CAP Tulsa,  and Tulsa Educare.

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Tulsa, OK
Press Release

Multi-Media Campaign Will Empower Parents and Family Members of Young Children to Realize Their Potential as Their Children’s First Teachers by Offering Tools and Tips to Boost Vocabulary and Early Learning

Tulsa, OK—Local community leaders in Tulsa, Oklahoma will come together today to join forces with Too Small to Fail, a joint initiative of Next Generation and the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, to announce the launch of a new local campaign that will help parents and caregivers of children ages birth to five prepare their children for success in school and beyond.

Tulsa has notably emerged as a national leader in its commitment to early childhood education. The campaign, titled “Talking is Teaching”, has been developed in partnership with local community organizations that have extensive experience in improving early learning and health among Tulsa families, including the George Kaiser Family Foundation, CAP Tulsa, and Tulsa Educare. The campaign will use a community-wide approach—engaging pediatricians, business owners, faith-based leaders, librarians and others—to empower parents and caregivers to boost young children’s brain development and build their vocabularies by increasing the number of words they hear spoken to them every day.

Upon learning about the effort, U.S. Senator from Oklahoma and family physician Tom Coburn expressed support for the campaign: “When it comes to raising children no one knows better—or cares more—than parents.  Every parent wants to ensure the healthy development of their infants and toddlers.  I appreciate what the George Kaiser Family Foundation and others are doing to help convey to parents the best advice about what they can do to encourage the physical, cognitive and personal development of their children.”

When parents and caregivers talk, read and sing to their young children every day, they help develop important vocabulary as well as cognitive, social and emotional skills necessary for later learning. Put simply, the more words children hear spoken to them directly every day, the better they learn.

According to recent field research conducted, a majority of low-income parents, grandparents and other caregivers in Tulsa recognize that they personally have an impact on their child’s brain development.  Yet, many of those surveyed admit that they could be doing more on a daily basis to help their children increase their vocabulary:

  • Only 55 percent of parents and 47 percent of grandparents report reading to their children every day.
  • Fewer than half report telling their children a story, singing a song or playing a non-electronic game every day.

“Talking is Teaching” will share with parents and caregivers how simple actions—like describing objects seen during a walk or bus ride, singing songs, or telling stories for just five minutes, three times a day—can significantly improve a baby’s ability to learn new words and concepts.

“Through my involvement with Educare,” said Rondalyn Abode, Tulsa Educare parent and employee, “I was taught that I can be the very best teacher for my children. It’s good to have resources and support to help me do this.  The ‘Talking is Teaching’ campaign will help bring resources and support to a broader audience, and it’s exciting that this is starting in Tulsa.”

In addition to creative messaging from the campaign that will appear throughout the community, local partners and pediatricians will disseminate messages directly to parents and caregivers using family toolkits developed with Sesame Workshop; and to pediatricians using clinical toolkits on early literacy developed by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP). The campaign will also test new technology developed by the Bezos Family Foundation to help remind parents to build these activities into their daily lives.

“Talking is Teaching” will be developed as a model that can be learned from and shared in other communities across the country.

A PDF of tips for parents is available for download at www.talkingisteaching.org. Additional samples of the message campaign will be made available to members of the press upon request.

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In Dallas, she joined Jeb Bush and Jim Hunt for the Globalization of Higher Education Conference.

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Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton together again to talk education

(CNN) – Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton – two central figures in modern politics with 2016 prospects – joined forces Monday to talk global education.

In her keynote address, Clinton praised Bush’s dedication to education reform since serving two terms as governor of Florida, where he overhauled the state’s education system, introducing a school voucher program and banning using race as a factor in university admissions. If you are looking for more educational services, checkout LearnMate tutoring Adelaide on learnmate.com.au

The Globalization of Higher Education conference in Irving, Texas, hosted by Bush and former North Carolina Gov. Jim Hunt, was aimed at exploring the link between globalization and post-secondary education.

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Finally,  a tweet from Hillary herself!

. Great day launching . And, I made some new friends:

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Hillary made some changes to her previous plan to do a major policy speech due to recent developments in Syria.   She chose instead a theme for the evening that was most appropriate to the Constitution Hall setting –  freedom of speech, specifically the value of debate – particularly in the effort to effect bipartisan agreement.  Her only reference to current events was a remark affirming the value of debate.

She taught an extraordinary history lesson about the bipartisan alliance between Republican Senator Arthur H. Vandenberg and one of her long-acknowledged heroes, George Marshall,  in gaining approval for the Marshall Plan.  As always, I learned something new.  It is impossible not to when you hear her speak.

It was Hillary Clinton’s evening.  She was gracious, delightful, instructive, and her own woman.  Some speakers nudged her toward a 2016 run.

Our best compliments, Mme. Secretary!  It is an honor most richly deserved, and we could not be more delighted to see you receive it!  

Now – the  pictures.

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As we know, Hillary will receive the Liberty Medal from Jeb Bush at Constitution Hall in Philadelphia this evening.  Although none of the C-SPAN schedules currently show an airing of the event, it is possible to view the proceedings here.

Hillary Clinton Receives 2013 Liberty Medal

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton receives the the National Constitution Center’s 2013 Liberty Medal. The medal, which honors leaders who promote liberty around the globe, is delivered by former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R), NCC chair.

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Tea Partiers are predictably berserk over this decision on Bush’s part given today’s date.  We would remind them that Tea Party Republicans had a major role in reducing funds available for embassy security  and that  2012 was not the only year that saw an attack on Americans on September 11.  As New York Senator,  Hillary Clinton fought hard for the families of those lost in the attacks on the twin towers as well as for health care for first responders who suffered devastating illnesses from working for many months on “the pile” which burned into mid-February 2002.

Senator Clinton Visits

Senator Clinton with the 9/11 Families’ Association

By Marian Fontana

I still find it difficult to look at Ground Zero without getting emotional; however, the window in our office overlooking the site seemed like a fitting place to start our meeting with the Senator on March 6th. Our loved ones were in the forefront of Vice President Lee Ielpi’s mind as he pointed out to the Senator where his son Jonathan was found, emphasizing the painful reality that over, forty percent of the families have received nothing of their loved ones remains.

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Clinton demands federal funding for 9/11 health woes

Monday, December 18, 2006

Senator Hillary Clinton is putting new pressure on the White House to address health concerns of ground zero workers.

Senator Clinton says the program that monitors and treats 9/11 first responders and workers could run out of money by this summer.

She wants President Bush to put more money into the program when he presents his next budget.

“We are worried that the medical treatment that has begun, finally, after years of effort and many obstacles along the way will run out of money starting this summer,” Clinton said, “so that the people who are finally being treated for the many symptoms of their chronic conditions due to 9/11 exposures will once again be left out in the cold.”

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Jeb Bush, a voice of reason in a party trembling on the brink of implosion, offered his rationale for choosing our girl for this high honor.

Jeb BushFormer Florida Gov. Jeb Bush will award former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Tuesday with the 2013 Liberty Medal and defends it as part of a shared interest in the “importance of civic engagement.”

The potential opponents in the 2016 presidential election come together as Bush presents Clinton with the award at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia to honor her lifelong career in public service and her ongoing advocacy efforts on behalf of women and girls around the globe. Bush is chairman of the National Constitutional Center.

“While Secretary Clinton and I disagree on many issues, we certainly agree on the importance of civic engagement,” Bush said in a statement to the Tampa Bay Times.

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When you do read more of the above article, you see that a Tea Party affiliate will be holding a competing event naming an alternate choice for the honor.

As if all of this were not sufficient to make Philadelphia simply explode tonight, the Ready for Hillary Super PAC will be holding a rally simultaneously at Finnegan’s Wake.

Details on tonight’s rally for Hillary

Thomas Fitzgerald, Inquirer Politics Writer Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2013

As Hillary Clinton receives the Liberty Medal Tuesday night, supporters will gather at a rally by the super PAC Ready for Hillary to celebrate the group’s efforts to encourage her to run for president in 2016.
The event is at Finnigan’s Wake, the popular bar/event hall at 3rd and Spring Garden streets in Philadelphia’s Northern Liberties neighborhood. The event begins at 6:30 p.m.
Read moreravel Deals $249 — NY: Lake Placid ‘World’s Best’ Suite, Reg. $407 See all travel deals » Thomas Fitzgerald, Inquirer Politics Writer Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:09 AM As Hillary Clinton receives the Liberty Medal Tuesday night, supporters will gather at a rally by the super PAC Ready for Hillary to celebrate the group’s efforts to encourage her to run for president in 2016. The event is at Finnigan’s Wake, the popular bar/event hall at 3rd and Spring Garden streets in Philadelphia’s Northern Liberties neighborhood. The event begins at 6:30 p.m.
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Travel Deals $249 — NY: Lake Placid ‘World’s Best’ Suite, Reg. $407 See all travel deals » Thomas Fitzgerald, Inquirer Politics Writer Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:09 AM As Hillary Clinton receives the Liberty Medal Tuesday night, supporters will gather at a rally by the super PAC Ready for Hillary to celebrate the group’s efforts to encourage her to run for president in 2016. The event is at Finnigan’s Wake, the popular bar/event hall at 3rd and Spring Garden streets in Philadelphia’s Northern Liberties neighborhood. The event begins at 6:30 p.m.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/big_tent/Details-on-tonights-rally-for-Hillary.html#kMeR18H5Rl71rE5E.99
Thomas Fitzgerald, Inquirer Politics Writer Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:09 AM As Hillary Clinton receives the Liberty Medal Tuesday night, supporters will gather at a rally by the super PAC Ready for Hillary to celebrate the group’s efforts to encourage her to run for president in 2016. The event is at Finnigan’s Wake, the popular bar/event hall at 3rd and Spring Garden streets in Philadelphia’s Northern Liberties neighborhood. The event begins at 6:30 p.m.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/big_tent/Details-on-tonights-rally-for-Hillary.html#kMeR18H5Rl71rE5E.99
Thomas Fitzgerald, Inquirer Politics Writer Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:09 AM As Hillary Clinton receives the Liberty Medal Tuesday night, supporters will gather at a rally by the super PAC Ready for Hillary to celebrate the group’s efforts to encourage her to run for president in 2016. The event is at Finnigan’s Wake, the popular bar/event hall at 3rd and Spring Garden streets in Philadelphia’s Northern Liberties neighborhood. The event begins at 6:30 p.m.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/big_tent/Details-on-tonights-rally-for-Hillary.html#kMeR18H5Rl71rE5E.99
Thomas Fitzgerald, Inquirer Politics Writer Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2013, 10:09 AM As Hillary Clinton receives the Liberty Medal Tuesday night, supporters will gather at a rally by the super PAC Ready for Hillary to celebrate the group’s efforts to encourage her to run for president in 2016. The event is at Finnigan’s Wake, the popular bar/event hall at 3rd and Spring Garden streets in Philadelphia’s Northern Liberties neighborhood. The event begins at 6:30 p.m.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/big_tent/Details-on-tonights-rally-for-Hillary.html#kMeR18H5Rl71rE5E.99

The local broadcast of the medal ceremony will be shown at the rally.

Congratulations, Mme. Secretary!  We are so happy for this high recognition of your dedicated service!

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Hillary Clinton is returning to Washington D.C. on Monday, and her visit is generating the predictable storm of media attention and speculation.  As the main attraction at the Carlyle Group investor conference, she is expected to conduct a question and answer session rather than deliver a formal speech.  Also on Monday, she and Chelsea Clinton, who is active in wildlife conservation efforts,  will be  participating in a wildlife trafficking event at the White House.

Reportedly, Hillary will meet with President Obama prior to this forum and will make a brief statement about the situation in Syria prior to the event.

Monday evening, all three Clintons will host a Clinton Foundation fundraiser at their D.C. home and at the Italian Embassy across the street.

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Some may think,  given the grave mood in the capital, with Congress deliberating the president’s request for approval of military action in Syria during the week of national remembrance of the September 11 attacks,  that a wildlife trafficking event at the White House might better have been scheduled at some other time.  That line of thinking could not be more incorrect.

Hillary Clinton,  the unrivaled master of connecting dots and weaving seemingly disparate issues into a cloth, clarified the relevance of this issue to national and international security last November when, at a  State Department event,  she joined the battle against wildlife trafficking and poaching.  Here are some of her remarks on the subject.

Now, some of you might be wondering why a Secretary of State is keynoting an event about wildlife trafficking and conservation, or why we are hosting this event at the State Department in the first place. Well, I think it’s because, as Bob Hormats has just pointed out, and as the public service announcements reinforce, over the past few years wildlife trafficking has become more organized, more lucrative, more widespread, and more dangerous than ever before.

As the middle class grows, which we all welcome and support, in many nations items like ivory or rhinoceros horn become symbols of wealth and social status. And so the demand for these goods rises. By some estimates, the black market in wildlife is rivaled in size only by trade in illegal arms and drugs. Today, ivory sells for nearly $1,000 per pound. Rhino horns are literally worth their weight in gold, $30,000 per pound.

What’s more, we are increasingly seeing wildlife trafficking has serious implications for the security and prosperity of people around the world. Local populations that depend on wildlife, either for tourism or sustenance, are finding it harder and harder to maintain their livelihoods. Diseases are spreading to new corners of the globe through wildlife that is not properly inspected at border crossings. Park rangers are being killed. And we have good reason to believe that rebel militias are players in a worldwide ivory market worth millions and millions of dollars a year.

So yes, I think many of us are here because protecting wildlife is a matter of protecting our planet’s natural beauty. We see it’s a stewardship responsibility for us and this generation and future generations to come. But it is also a national security issue, a public health issue, and an economic security issue that is critical to each and every country represented here.

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On Tuesday, at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, she will receive the 2013 Liberty Medal for her lifelong public service career as secretary of state, presidential candidate, senator, and first lady.   Jeb Bush will make the presentation.  Hillary was expected to deliver the second of the policy speeches she announced upon receipt of the American Bar Association Medal last month addressing  transparency and national security.

According to late-breaking news from Politico, however, plans for her Philadelphia remarks have been altered due to events of the past two weeks.

Hillary Clinton to speak on Syria

Hillary Clinton will make her first public remarks about Syria on Monday when she makes a visit to the White House for an unrelated event, a Clinton aide told POLITICO.

The comments, the first since an unidentified aide said last week that the former secretary of state supports President Barack Obama in going before Congress to get support for a limited strike against Syria, will come after she meets privately with Obama at the White House, the aide said.

But they also come as part of a revamped effort to approach a pre-planned policy speech scheduled for Tuesday, which has been overtaken by events in Syria and efforts by the White House to secure support in Congress. Obama himself is planning to address the nation on Tuesday evening, an hour after Clinton speaks in Pennsylvania, to sell his case for a military strike in Syria.

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Congratulations, Mme. Secretary!  We hope you had a restful vacation, are delighted to have you back, and are joyful at the recognition you are receiving.

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N.B. This post has been revised from an earlier version that stated that  the Tuesday evening speech would be the planned major policy event.

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The new Qunnipiac poll shows Hillary beating out two Florida favorites, and you know what they say  – Florida, Florida, Florida.

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March 21, 2013 – Clinton Tops Florida Favorite Sons In 2016 Race, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has double-digit leads over either of Florida’s favorite sons, former Gov. Jeb Bush or U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, in an early look at the 2016 presidential election, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

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Mrs. Clinton, who shows the most strength of any potential 2016 aspirant in Quinnipiac University’s national polls, leads Jeb Bush 51 – 40 percent and bests Sen. Rubio 52 – 41 percent in a poll of Sunshine State registered voters.

Clinton is viewed much more favorably than either man, 62 – 33 percent favorable for Clinton, compared to 50 – 35 percent favorable for Bush and 41 – 34 percent for Rubio.

We probably won’t know for some time whether former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton runs for president in 2016, but if she decides to make the race, she begins with a sizable lead in a state that Republicans cannot win the White House without,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac  University Polling Institute. “Florida voters have a very positive view of Mrs. Clinton and it’s not just Democrats who feel that way.”

Mrs. Clinton is viewed favorably by 26 percent of Republicans, not bad for a Democrat who’s had her share of battles with the GOP, and gets a 57 – 35 percent favorability among the key voting group, independents. Not surprisingly, she gets 93 – 5 percent favorability among Democrats. She has a 10-point gender gap: 66 percent of women and 56 percent of men view her favorably.

In a head-to-head with Jeb Bush, Mrs. Clinton would get 10 percent of Republicans while he would only get 4 percent of Democrats. Independent voters are divided 42 percent for Clinton and 41 percent for Bush.

10. If the election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Hillary Clinton the Democrat and Jeb Bush the Republican, for whom would you vote?
                     Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Wht    Blk    Hsp

Clinton              51%    10%    92%    42%    45%    56%    44%    86%    62%
Bush                 40     88      4     41     45     36     48      9     30
SMONE ELSE(VOL)       1      -      -      2      1      1      1      -      -
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL)      2      1      1      4      4      1      2      3      -
DK/NA                 5      1      2     11      5      6      5      1      8

                     WHITE..............................................
                     COLLEGE DEG                               BornAgnEv
                     Yes    No     Prot   Cath   Men    Wom    Yes    No

Clinton              47%    42%    32%    42%    38%    49%    25%    44%
Bush                 45     50     60     51     53     44     66     48
SMONE ELSE(VOL)       2      1      2      -      1      1      2      1
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL)      1      2      1      -      3      1      3      2
DK/NA                 5      5      4      7      5      6      5      5

                     COLLEGE DEG   ANNUAL HSHOLD INC    AGE IN YRS.......
                     Yes    No     <50K   50-100 >100K  18-34  35-54  55+

Clinton              52%    51%    53%    54%    51%    55%    51%    50%
Bush                 39     41     39     43     39     31     45     42
SMONE ELSE(VOL)       1      1      1      -      3      1      1      1
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL)      1      3      2      1      2      6      1      1
DK/NA                 6      5      5      2      5      8      2      5
11. If the election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Hillary Clinton the Democrat and Marco Rubio the Republican, for whom would you vote?
                     Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Wht    Blk    Hsp

Clinton              52%     8%    90%    47%    48%    55%    45%    88%    57%
Rubio                41     90      6     38     44     37     48      6     35
SMONE ELSE(VOL)       1      -      1      2      1      1      1      1      -
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL)      1      -      -      2      1      -      1      3      -
DK/NA                 6      1      3     11      5      6      5      2      8

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                     COLLEGE DEG                               BornAgnEv
                     Yes    No     Prot   Cath   Men    Wom    Yes    No

Clinton              50%    42%    32%    47%    41%    49%    27%    45%
Rubio                46     49     62     47     53     44     67     48
SMONE ELSE(VOL)       1      1      1      -      1      1      1      1
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL)      -      1      1      -      1      -      2      1
DK/NA                 3      6      4      6      4      6      3      5

                     COLLEGE DEG   ANNUAL HSHOLD INC    AGE IN YRS.......
                     Yes    No     <50K   50-100 >100K  18-34  35-54  55+

Clinton              55%    51%    52%    56%    55%    54%    53%    51%
Rubio                39     41     38     41     41     33     43     42
SMONE ELSE(VOL)       -      1      2      -      1      2      -      1
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL)      -      1      1      -      -      3      -      -
DK/NA                 5      6      6      3      4      8      4      5
12. Is your opinion of Jeb Bush favorable, unfavorable or haven’t you heard enough about him?
                     Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Wht    Blk    Hsp

Favorable            50%    87%    27%    48%    50%    50%    58%    20%    41%
Unfavorable          35      5     61     32     36     35     31     62     32
Hvn't hrd enough     13      7     11     17     13     12      9     17     25
REFUSED               2      1      1      3      1      3      2      1      1
13. Is your opinion of Marco Rubio favorable, unfavorable or haven’t you heard enough about him?
                     Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Wht    Blk    Hsp

Favorable            41%    81%    12%    41%    45%    38%    48%    10%    39%
Unfavorable          34      3     60     30     34     33     31     51     34
Hvn't hrd enough     24     15     26     26     20     27     20     39     25
REFUSED               1      -      2      2      1      2      1      -      2
TREND: Is your opinion of Marco Rubio favorable, unfavorable or haven’t you heard enough about him?
                                                             FAVORABLE......
                                                             High    Low
                     Mar 21  May 23  Feb 03  Aug 19  Jul 30  May 23  Apr 16
                     2013    2012    2011    2010    2010    2012    2009

Favorable            41      44      41      35      35      44      10
Unfavorable          34      24      17      28      24      24      11
Hvn't hrd enough     24      31      41      34      38      31      78
REFUSED               1       1       2       2       3       1       2
14. Is your opinion of Hillary Clinton favorable, unfavorable or haven’t you heard enough about her?
                     Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Wht    Blk    Hsp

Favorable            62%    26%    93%    57%    56%    66%    57%    88%    68%
Unfavorable          33     68      5     35     37     29     39      7     25
Hvn't hrd enough      4      3      2      4      5      2      3      5      6
REFUSED               2      2      -      3      1      2      2      -      1
TREND: Is your opinion of Hillary Clinton favorable, unfavorable or haven’t you heard enough about her? (*Low also 44% Jun 2007)
                                                             FAVORABLE......
                                                             High    Low
                     Mar 21  May 22  May 1   Apr 2   Dec 5   Mar 21  Apr 2
                     2013    2008    2008    2008    2007    2013    2008*

Favorable            62      48      49      44      52      62      44
Unfavorable          33      43      40      45      41      33      45
Hvn't hrd enough      4       5       7       8       5       4       8
REFUSED               2       4       4       4       3       2       4

Seriously? There are people who haven’t heard enough about her?

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