Our Jen found this vintage WSJ article that resolves that question. Additional words from me are not necessary.
July 9, 2008, 6:01 PM
Obama, Clinton Split on FISA Vote
By Susan Davis
Siobhan Gorman reports on Congress.
So much for unity? New York Sen. Hillary Clinton split with former rival Sen. Barack Obama today, voting against a controversial surveillance measure the expected Democratic nominee supported.
Hillary Clinton talks with Barack Obama aboard his campaign plane June 27. The former rivals split their votes on a controversial spy bill Wednesday. (AP)Obama has taken considerable flack from liberal activists since announcing a couple weeks ago that he would support the measure, which expands government surveillance powers in the United States.
Obama said he would work to eliminate a provision to grant conditional immunity to phone companies alleged to have participated in the National Security Agency’s warrantless surveillance program, but amendments attempting to pare back or strip immunity from the surveillance bill were defeated Wednesday, as expected.
Obama won the nomination, in part, by running to Clinton’s left, but he has been tacking right since clinching the nomination in early June–which today landed him to Clinton’s right on the spy bill, which overhauled the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
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“Congress must vigorously check and balance the president even in the face of dangerous enemies and at a time of war,” Clinton said in a statement explaining her vote. She said the bill had several shortcomings, including insufficient judicial oversight of surveillance and the immunity provision.
Yep. They didn’t want smart power – they wanted to be kewl.
They were fired up and ready to blow it. They just wouldn’t see the truth.
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Karen for Clinton, you certainly nailed it. “fired up and ready to blow it”. No kidding!!
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Good find! If she runs, that’s one vote that will definitely come back to HELP her.
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I’m remembering her explanation for her Iraq war vote. There too she warned and worried about presidential abuse of power. She took a tone like a strict teacher that reminded me of Shirley Chisolm.
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Still, EVERY time I see a comment anywhere that says, “she supported that war…” I put a link to her floor speech and ask them to define “support.”
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Sophie!!!! Can you put that link here so we can all bookmark it?
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Thank you SO MUCH, Sophie!
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Great Sunday read from Chelsea who closely follows in her parents big foot prints:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chelsea-clinton/what-i-saw-and-learned-in_b_3380394.html
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Thank you.
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What a freaking shame. Dems really really blew it.
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I remember that day. I was hanging out here at the time and we were all going WTF over the “analysis” of Hillary’s vote. Yeah, because it’s impossible that she would have made the right vote for the right reasons–it had to be politically motivated.
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Exactly! I remember this exactly as you do!
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That thread is a gold mine. If you look at what Alegre shared, it actually predicted and explains what happened later in Denver.
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Can you post a link to the Alegre piece from that day? On the WSJ link the comments were as Sophie says. They were always saying she was triangulating and posturing for position. They accused her of ulterior motives when she was so obviously being honest and genuine and just doing her job.
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The link is in this comment, but the link itself is not working for me.
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Timeline of surveillance:
http://projects.propublica.org/graphics/surveillance-timeline
I was totally against FISA and tracking of all kinds for many years. Then I condoned some of it as a necessary evil and have not minded some infringements on our liberties – ever since the world became a far more troublesome place. It is way out of hand. This must stop. This is too far.
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Thanks for the timeline, karen.
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Karen, I minded it from the beginning because it was obvious they would not use it properly–they lack the skills to aggregate that quantity of information and make meaningful priorities and decisions. Think of what they missed in the PDB! Furthermore, Al Quaeda went low tech–under the radar. IMHO, a program like FISA is designed to cost the taxpayers lots of money and only helps TPTB find fodder to use against their political enemies.
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Yep. You were right. I was mostly passive about the increased and rather invasive TSA activity. When I boarded planes it was worth the scrutiny to feel relaxed on board. The fear of a kaboom mid-flight was enough to allow some lose of privacy and to even tolerate groping. I think of El-Al, of Israel and how out of nessessity they are super investigative of passengers and their border crossings.
We do not yet have the need to be that much of a police state. They have put the cart before the proverbial horse.
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Give up a little freedom for security, you will have neither.
Quote from Patrick Henry
Press Release Department
http://www.ReadyforHillary.com
http://www.ClintonFoundation.org
We are Ready. We were Ready in ’08.
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Just read that Hillary sent her first tweeter message today! I’m looking for it!
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